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03 October 2009 @ 12:14 am
Q E D discussion!  
So I'm kinda bored and want a discussion.
I'm also curious as to whether anyone will respond to this.

I see discussions about this on Japanese sites everywhere, but none in english.

Did anyone get/listen to ABC's Q.E.D album?
And if so...Did they read the story?

Who the hell do you think killed Vivian? And why?

I wanna know what everyone else thinks!

I would say "Don't read the comments if you're worried about spoilers"...
But really, nobody can prove they have the right answer anyway, so at the end of the day, it will all be speculation.
Either way, if you think it will still bother you, just don't read it. ^^


So without further ado...



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Haruka Hellscythe: caruselhappy_gogogo on October 3rd, 2009 11:07 am (UTC)
Harry killed Vivian. He became close with his newspaper delivery guy, to the point that they did activities together. And Harry had even admitted that he'd gone to one of Richard's magician performances. Harry could have proposed to go for drinks to celebrate the performance and Richard naively volunteering to go back to his apartment.

While having drinks, Harry could have easily pocketed the items used in the murder. Since Richard trusted Harry (and because of his occupation), he wouldn't have thought that his friend would steal from him.

Naturally, after the murder Harry played his part; if he hadn't volunteered to vouch for Richard's character or defend him in court it would have raised flags for Richard. There's the case of his "alibi", how convenient that he was away during the murders-but how do they know that it was actually true? Were there tickets or receipts to verify this? He could have easily packed a bag and drove around the city, checking in to a motel where he wouldn't be recognized. I do agree that the buried women were practice, tweaking here and there until he had honed how he would both kill and display her.

Think about it- the club where Vivian worked was reported to have cater to distinguished public figures, including cops. A lawyer certainly comes to mind as a distinguished public figure, plus they make a bit more than a cop would. He probably bought the apartment to have proximity-why risk being found in a seedy club when you can have your desires next door?

Harry eventually tired of Vivian's promiscuity and the abortions, thinking that she'd maintain a monogamous[sp] relationship with him. He probably tried to reason with her one last time before the murder, and she told him the truth-why end up some stuffy housewife when she could be a star? So, in Harry's mind Vivian had sealed her fate-she had to die.

It was easy to be let in. He probably came by, surprising Vivian since she thought he was going away. She made tea for them, and in some intimate act (maybe a goodbye hug or kiss), he seized the opportunity to stab her; there was not much struggle because she really didn't see it coming.

After staging the scene, he drank the rest of his tea as he admired his work. She finally looked the way he'd imagined her.

Was he remorseful about Richard? No. Someone had to take the fall, and Richard was the perfect target: stuck in a dead-end job, his dream career not going anywhere, somewhat a loner. That, combined with the fact that he'd been harassing Vivian put him in Harry's radar.

...a bit overdramatic but that's my theory XD
akiba_doll: yasakiba_doll on October 3rd, 2009 11:38 am (UTC)
Wow! Pretty good, detective! lol
I also arrived at Harry...I have a few things to add to yours...For example, it was mentioned that only one cup of tea was half-empty. And the photo behind the disc in the cd case (of version A, I think?) even shows a picture of two teacups, one full and one half-empty. So I thought it must be significant somehow. I think maybe he drugged the tea and let her drink hers first. That's why there was no struggle.
Also, in the lyric booklet, the song Jigsaw is named as Harry's song, and on the lyrics, the words "love" and "hate" have been circled like in the story...So that also fits with Harry being the killer.

But there are still a few blanks I'm not sure how to fill in. What do you make of the whole black sun thing? What effect does it have/what use is it in the story? It must be significant, because Yasu matched up the dates of the eclipses with some of the murders. (As well as some of the characters birthdays??) Plus the message on the wall seems as if the person wasn't killing in his "true" state of mind. And! What about the attacking of the Alexanders?? Sure, Harry could have an elaborate motive to kill Vivian, but why randomly attack the Alexanders years later? And if it wasn't him, how come the message on the wall is the same? And the knife with Vivian's DNA?

I'm wondering, did you read all the extra stuff that came with the cd only version's booklet? Because I only read it recently, and it has hints and extra info in there, that has honestly just confused me more. lol
Haruka Hellscythe: awesomehappy_gogogo on October 3rd, 2009 12:18 pm (UTC)
I didn't get the CD so I don't know about those clues LOL, I based my theories from the OHP story that was translated.

As for your questions: the "black sun" thing and the message I always figured to be a red herring. Harry was a lawyer, so he'd have both knowledge and access to criminal history. If he had just left the scene the way it was, maybe the murder might have gone in a different direction. But, by adding the message, police were led to believe that it was a derranged individual that committed the murders.

As for the Alexanders, I think it was done on purpose. There was no real death, only an attempt, and Mrs. Alexander wound up in a lifelong coma. This intruder has a weapon (knife) and instead of stabbing the couple, almost scares one to death and bonks the other over the head, making a careless mistake to drop the knife next to Mr. Alexander.

After the murder, on his way back to the motel, instead of chucking the knife, Harry probably kept it, perhaps with the picture and lipstick tube as a trophy. Mr. Alexander testified that the attacker was tall, white, and had blonde hair. While Harry's height was never disclosed and presuming he might have dyed his hair (if it already wasn't naturally blonde), he was 36 at the time of the Black Maria murder. He would have been much too old to even attempt an attack of that nature with someone years younger than him.

However, if he were to have had a son (and from the profile, Harry was bound to have a family, to give the illusion of a perfect life) uncovered the truth, he might be compelled to bring this to light; going to the police would be much to scandalous, especially if the knife ended up being a dead-end, so he figured he'd bring attention to the case by staging an attack with the killer's signature sprawled on the wall.
akiba_doll: yasakiba_doll on October 3rd, 2009 12:24 pm (UTC)
Here:

http://www.papersnow.net/kiku/qed.html

From "Character sketches" down, those parts are all in the photo booklet. You'll see what I mean. There's even another character in there. O__O
Haruka Hellscythe: yoobin 8]happy_gogogo on October 3rd, 2009 01:58 pm (UTC)
Okay, after viewing that:

Brenda was bribed/scared to keep quiet by Harry. He frequented the club, so they would have crossed paths eventually or had Vivian drop her name. It could have even been possible that he messed around with her before setting his sights on Vivian. Especially with that phone coversation. It could be possible that in the same night that he picked up his "tools" for murder he could have planted the newspaper.

As for Maria...I think Richard inadvertently found out about her. Harry didn't seem like he knew anything when they talked on the phone, by the time it was brought up it was years later. I do think that Harry did it on purpose though-he thought that the years would cause Richard to give up, but as he kept trying to get more appeals, Harry realized that he needed to tie up a loose end.
I-talian Rapscallionblitz on October 3rd, 2009 01:20 pm (UTC)
Quincy did it!!! LOL
he's the qed after all.
akiba_doll: yasakiba_doll on October 3rd, 2009 08:59 pm (UTC)
Of course. lol That sly dog. XD
アリス: ne?sono_ike on October 3rd, 2009 08:46 pm (UTC)
sorry for being such an ignorant here

so~!
QED album is one of those that tell you a story? is that?
because - i love that kind of music! I must hear then...
but, songs are in english or japanese?
akiba_dollakiba_doll on October 3rd, 2009 08:57 pm (UTC)
QED is the new album by Acid Black Cherry. ^^
A story was released with the album, and it's like a murder mystery kind of thing. Then the songs on the album are meant to go with the story, and you are supposed to figure out who the murderer is. The songs are all in Japanese, but there have been translations for them done already.

There are samples of the songs playing on here:

http://www.myspace.com/abc_fans

It's a killer album! ;)
Also, there's a translation of the story in the myspace blog, here.

Translations for the song lyrics, and extra info on the story are on Kiku's translation site, which also has all kinds of Janne Da Arc and ABC stuff on it:

http://papersnow.net/kiku/others.html

If you're interested, and you have a myspace you should add the abc fanpage. They update with all the info all the time. ^^ (lol I sound like an advert, don't I??)
アリス: Aoi~san ♥sono_ike on October 3rd, 2009 09:45 pm (UTC)
sound really interesting * w * ) I'll take a break for homeworks at night, and I will hear this album ♥